Obama’s here in Puget Sound to spread hope and love everywhere. Recently he said,
Obama’s here in Puget Sound to spread hope and love everywhere. Recently he said,
“Once I’m elected, I want to organize a summit in the Muslim world, with all the heads of state, to have an honest discussion about ways to bridge the gap that grows every day between Muslims and the West.”
** Insert Star Trek’s “red alert” siren here! ** This statement alone shows that Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t get it. Muslims everywhere know the score, and they know how to beat us. They will beat us if we follow Obama’s lead. Liberals everywhere think they know the score. Most don’t. Most are not even close.
The Muslim world wants Islam to rule, period. That IS their issue. With “true” Islam, there is no line between secular and sacred, or religion and politics. It is all the same; Islam is all. Liberals think they have an economic grievance, and that is why they go all “jihad” on us, because the West is the haves and they’re the have-nots. Well that is not true. The followers of Osama Bin Laden are well educated. They’re not kooks, they’re smart, clever, extremely devout Muslims. Bin Laden’s father was one of the wealthiest men in the Saudi kingdom; and the Mohammed Bin Laden “clan” (or “tribe”) is over 100,000 strong. There is a disproportionate amount of doctors, lawyers, and engineers in their ranks. Bin Laden’s lieutenant – currently in Iraq – Ayman al-Zawahiri is a surgeon! It’s not economic, although al-Jazeera cameras usually find the poorest areas to get the best shots.
So what other discussion could Obama have with “all the heads of state” in the Muslim world? The whole Palestine issue? That’s not it either, but Muslims will use as a ruse to get another step up on what they want. The oil rich Arab states could rescue the Palestinians in an instant, take them in as refugees, improve their standards of life, and be worldwide heroes. But Arab leaders from Saudi Arabia to Iran prefer to make sure the Palestinians stay poor. The more destitute they are, the more sympathetic we suckers in the West are, the more we give them what they want. Muslims (and not just radicals) consider the Jews to be squatters on Arab land. Never mind that Abraham (who the Koran recognizes as one of their respected ancestors) was on the land 4,173 years ago, Moses (who the Koran also recognizes as one of their respected ancestors) inherited the land by God’s ordinance 3,453 years ago, and Mohammed first trod his little angry feet on the earth on Saudi Arabian soil only 1,420 years ago. There have always been Arab peoples living in the area that is now Israel, but since the time of Mohammed – get this Obama – they don’t want any deal that includes any Israel, and until Arabs own all of it, they will not relent. For them, the “Zionist Entity” is an filthy, disgusting embarrassment, and it cannot be allowed to exist.
Here at home, the only way any US president could appease the jihadists is to chuck the US constitution, and impose by force strict shariah law. Strict shariah law. Because if it’s not strict enough, Muslims eat their own! Anwar Sadat tried to walk the line, and institute a party system of government in mostly Muslim Egypt; His body was riddled with bullets by the Muslim Brotherhood for visiting Israel.
The real thrust of all of their grievances is that the world does not line up with Islam’s order. Because the world doesn’t line up, the estimated 200 million “radicals” out there must make it line up. This is the gap that Obama wants to “discuss” with all the heads of state. And make no mistake, for them there is no discussion; you’re either in the dar al-Islam (house of Islam) or dar al-Harb (house of war).
Any US President or Presidential candidate must understand this.
My bet is Muslims everywhere would love to sit down and talk with Obama. For a long long time too. It is part of their game plan, and adheres flawlessly with their idea of taquiyya (religious deception). They will do anything to stall off US actions that might stop their relentless pursuit of global Islamic domination. Remember, Hitler sat down at the bargaining table again and again, and I’m sure he laughed on his way out. He would have been proud of these “true Muslims.” When Iran gets a nuke, Hitler will snicker from hell as his dream of extinguishing the Jews finally comes true.
Yes, Obama is big on hope. He is bankrupt on comprehension.
The world will never be dominated by one type of people or religion. The west is a mix of cultures and races that are “in the pursuit of happiness”. The pure muslim believes that worshipping Allah is pursuit of happiness”. Other schools of thoughts and religions have other ways of fulfilling “the pursuit of happiness”
It is only when one person kills another person to “pursue his happiness” with the other persons material possession that “the pursuit of happiness” becomes void.
Thus if we want to live amicably with our neighbors we do have to talk to them decently and respect the fence between our homes, as well as each others privacy.
If Obama wants to sit down with the leaders in the world and all Presidents have to do it on an ongoing bassi then maybe he will be able to reach an amicable agreement of a coexistence of mutual respect.
It is important to understand that this country is a home to immigrants, white and black and everything in between. Some came many gernerations ago like mine and some came late, The only original people of the land were Native Americans.
It is also important to know that we are all born with our share of sustenance, it is only when we are wasteful, greedy or avaricious that someone else goes without it.
I pray that both you and I and everyone who reads this makes the choice that will be good for all the people of the world, and will win friends for the United States voluntarily rather than at the point of a gun.
PS I was not going to vote for Obama, but after reading your post that he has an open mind about interacting with the world, I am having second thoughts. Thank you for presenting the information.
More on “purity” coming in a future blog. “Purity” is humanly impossible. But God has made a way for impure people to have a life-changing realtionship with Him.
FYI: the Koran (yes, I’ve read it) DICTATES that Islam must rule, and that rule will come by any way possible. The reason the vast majority of Muslims are not fanatical killers is because (like most Christians and the bible) they don’t read the Koran. The deeper you get into the Koran, the more “radical” (or should we actually say “normally Muslim”) you become.
I will talk decently with my neighbors, and I even talk decently with the Iranians who own my local 7-11. I know a bit of Arabic, and it’s nice to be able to say “Hi” “thank you” and “goodbye” in their native tongue.
I’m first generation American, btw, and (regarding presidential issues on immigration) I DO have a beef with those who would put their “homeland” nationality – or in this case, desire for Islamic supiriority – over the interests of the US.
What you said about “pursuit of happiness” is correct. Fully committed Muslims know in their heart of hearts that killing infidels makes Allah happy.
I cant vote for a president that thinks this issue is “vague.”
A few questions:
Would you vote for a President that made it criminal for you to practice your religion (irrespective of what it is)?
Should our President choose the people who live in United States?
Should our President choose which people (of a particular religion) should be kicked out or persecuted? Does this ring a bell of a similar President in another country in Europe?
Should our President ram his religion or his faith down the throat of not only his people but people of other countries?
Should Christians be allowed to believe that Jesus is God, or should they bow down to the President of the United States, incase God may be taking his place in their hearts?
When Islam ruled eg in Spain for 900 years, were the Jews and Christians persecuted and exterminated?
An Evaluation much needed: Perhaps we as Americans should examine who is the fear monger against muslims and what does he or she gain by it?
What are the interests of the US, and who is dictating them?
I don’t think any US president should make any religion criminal. I think the “battle of ideas” either sharpens the ideas, or they will not stand up. And as an aside, if Islam is so great, how come Muslims have to threaten and kill people to make sure Islam is safe? Can’t you just preach the Koran and let people CHOOSE Islam? (I haven’t seen much of this. Pretty much all Muslims are either born into it, or threatened into it).
Any US president should control the flow of people coming to the US, and stand guard for the citizens that already live here.
Our US constitution, a document filled with Christian principles, says that people – regardless of their religion – who call for the nation’s destruction are treasonous, and should be criminally responsible. Fortunately for the imams in the Mosques in the US, we don’t generally enforce this one.
No president should ram his faith down anyone’s throat, BUT, as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States (that is a generally accepted slang term for the president), he is absolutely responsible for protecting US citizens. If the threats happen to be coming from Muslims, then so be it. If you recall the Waco TX fiasco, you don’t have to be Muslim to be taken seriously as a threat to the US.
Sure people should be allowed to say “Jesus is God” if they want … but I don’t know anyone who worships the president. Where are you going with this one? Hmmmm.
RE: Islam / Spain. First, Islam did not RULE spain for 900 years, although they had a presence there (see http://mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html). But more poignant: How did the Muslims GET there from (current) Saudi Arabia? Did they hand out tracts, spread the peace and love of Allah, and encourage people everywhere that Islam is just the best thing around? Or did they kill, torture and threaten their way across Africa AND modern day Turkey, Checkolsovakia, etc., untill all those cultures sumitted (indeed “Islamed”)? At any rate, because of the huge distance from their Arabic “base” near Mecca, the Muslims that reached Spain were quite a bit less islamic – and quite a bit more secular – which is what accounts for their ability to “live and let live” with the Christian Spaniards and Jewish Diaspora that lived there. And Christians and Jews are pretty good at getting along with all types of folkes who dont have an expressed desire to kill them.
I think the interests of the US are varied, and sometimes conflicting (like all the money we give to Saudi Arabia, which funds 90% of the mosques worldwide; when we SHOULD be drilling here at home and investing in alternative energy to not feed the dog that’s biting us).
Are you a US citizen? Or just visiting. Because in most cases, our form of government allows for US CITIZENS to dictate our interests. There are exceptions, but our constitution protects the freedom that allows for individuals of all sorts to thrive.
I’d like a president who PROTECTS us from ANYone who has a desire to kill us, and I’d like a president who doesn’t feel beholden to any particular foreign government (like our current president seems to do with Saudi Arabia).
Are you a US Citizen? I think my answer was in my first comment, I will inshallah write the rest later.
Well yes, I missed the obvious. In order to vote for Obama, (supposedly) you’re a US citizen. Then again, I’m sure there’s a few hundred thousand illegals voting (and probalby for Obama or Hillary, no doubt).
One more thing (and I love dialogue). You used the term “inshallah,” which I was unfamiliar with, so I “Googled” it. “The Will of Allah” is basically correct, but I found THIS…
One teaching of Islam which is relevant to the problem of pain and suffering is predestination. The view of the Qur’an is that Allah is a distant God who does not get involved in worldly affairs. When evil happens, it is God’s will. The Arabic term is inshallah. It is the will of Allah. Islam has traditionally produced an extreme attitude of fatalism. Whatever happens it is inshallah—God’s will. It is not difficult to see how this world view might affect one’s response to suffering. This can cause a cavalier attitude about the suffering and even death of those who are not in one’s immediate family.
I’m not sure if this is correct, but Christianity (by comparison) believes that God is intimately involved with those who look to Him as “Father.” Conversely, evil acts are not “God’s will,” but rather the fact of living in a broken world, which we will always have to deal with in some degree. God CAN step in and alter peoples hearts and events in order to further His goodness, he CAN and DOES answer prayer, but sometimes the answer is “no” (in the event of wrong motives, or something that goes against his nature like praying someone would get a disease). The Christian God LOVES people, and they have no fear that if something horrible happens then “it was God’s will.” God wishes the best for us.
Inshallah … interesting …
Inshallah I will try to clarify the word…..It means “if God Wills”. The english literature has quotes like “Man proposes God disposes”, Muslim history has a saying “tie your camel so it does not stray and then leave it to Gods will”
Inshallah means that I am trying my best but all final results will happen “if God wills it” It is a constant reminder not to be arrogant and think that I can accomplish anything without His will.
We as humans were born with two parts, one which we do not control i.e. breathing, heart beat etc, and one thta we control: i.e behavior, manners, compassion, assistance, the act of praying, giving charity, fasting etc over which we have control.
Muslims believe that the things over which human beings have control should be accomplished in a manner that give the people around them their rights eg the rights of the family and other humanbeings that muslims come in contact are called “Haqooq al ebad”.
In the final analysis when every effort has been made in a humane manner without usurping others rights and the results that were sought do not come through then muslims bow their head to the will of God and accept what has happened and ask God to give them the strength and ability to weather the storm.
More later……..
May Allah guide you and give you a soft heart that tunes in to other human beings as a friend rather than a foe.
Yep….I’d like to get all the Muslim leaders of the world together with Obama….LOLOL….and then let the Israelis have their way with them…Maybe they could all meet at the Iranian Nuclear Reactor and the Israelis could take care of that at the same time!!!
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
The O-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit. No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works, no balls, nothing but abstract empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.
He has no real identity. He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya . Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.
What he isn’t, not a genetic drop of, is ‘African-American,’ the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn’t a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.
Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners. Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.
It’s something Hillary doesn’t understand – how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.
Thus Obama has become the white liberals’ Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior is all the more cause for liberals to worship him: Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd.
Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.
His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.
Pass this on to every thinking American you know!
Honestly Sir, you are an idiot. To think that open lines of communication are far inferior than allowing starving women and children to die all over the world because of their religion shows just how far below the rest of the world the US is with our education system. Your premise that people should not vote for Barack Obama because he wished to discuss common issues with leaders of the Muslim world is far beyond absurd and borders on the religious fanatical ideaology that made the US the target for attack in the first place. The ignorance showed in your blog and the ignorance of my own party’s stance on almost every issue that John McCain has flip-flopped on makes me 100% certain that President Obama will be the very best choice for not only the US but for the World.
We have to accept the fact that muslims are also part of mankind,otherwise GOD would not have brought them forth,
if we believe that some of them are going about the wrong way, then the best way in modern times is to talk with them
& Obama will be the best bet for that. Intilligently speaking
using force ( a sign of weakness) will backfire at some time
Unless one wants be termed as a facist(cleverly hidden for now) which in turn will be a bigger problem when its ugly hood
rises, as truth cannot be hidden.
Just as extremiism leads to terrosim, racism leads to facism
Abraham Lincoln would have confirmed that.
My interpretation is that Obama wishes to impose Islam upon Christians. This is not the freedom of religion upon which our nation was founded.
This type of religious conversation is divisive and counter productive.
There are two aspects of religion: Beliefs that bring people together, and those which force them apart.
currently, fundamentalist Islam and fundamental Christianity are attempting to relive the Crusades, which helped nothing except to spread evil and greed.
There are countless religions that have sprung up throughout human history, and each of these has their own way of explaining the purpose of Man in the world and how Man came to be. All religions are tools of the humans who created them, and have been used to persuade large groups of people to follow a certain viewpoint, the vast majority of which have not been noble. Germany and Imperialist Japan both perverted their religions to create a basis for genocide (christianity and Shinto respectively). This is exactly what the radical fundamentalist Islamic clerics are doing now, and in my opinion what the “evangelical christian conservatives” are doing as well. both sides claim, “we are the CHOSEN ONES, destined to rule” based on the writings of men, and the propaganda of their organizations.
The christianity called to in the constitution was also based on the fact that all educated people in that time period were raised in christian educational facilities, as the dawn of education outside of religious institutions was still some time in the future. They also claimed that anyone not white was only 60% of a white male, and that women were not equals to men, not because they were prejudiced but because it was socially acceptable to hold those views. These educated men also saw the need for there not to be a religious leader, saw the need to find middle ground with those they disagreed with (compromise…), and warned against the political party system that fosters divisive hate rhetoric and works to create a false dichotomy in choice when there are infinite choices beyond the blue/red choice that is placed in front of us every 4 years.
Obama understands the political, religious, and economic issues that face the middle east, while McCain views the region the same way as GWBush, “Those guys are A$$holes”. (quoted from one of the advisers to Bush who was speaking to him about Iranian leadership.) Just because they have disagreements with the US doesn’t make them wrong…
There is a need in this global economy and society for humans to move beyond the divisive parts of religious belief, and focus on the aspects of religion that bring all humans together. the beliefs of love, honor, and respect cross all religions and societies, and leaders who would promote dialog and compromise would have a much better chance at creating long lasting peace than someone who claims to, “know how to work with leaders who share our views, and stand up to those that don’t.” The world does not share the neo con agenda, which means that we are going to have to stand up to the rest of the world increasingly soon under a McCain administration. Germany, along with other NATO countries are not in approval with the direction the US has taken, and without the support of other nations in the world stage, the US cannot stand. McCain would strain these relationships, Obama has a chance at strengthening them, and creating positive relations with nations that currently dislike american policy.
Terrorism is a fact of life when dealing with radical fundamentalists of any religion, but military action will never quench transcendent faith (Rome’s persecution of christianity comes to mind…). There is another way to approach the issue, and Ex British Prime Minister Tony Blair speaks of faith and globalization and the need to address the divisive side of religion, and encourage the uniting principles of religion to heal the rifts between different ethnic and religious groups.
What in the world did this guy just ramble about??? I feel more stupid after reading this. Muslims don’t want want to take over the world with their religion, only a few twisted individuals a.k.a. terrorists… They aren’t keeping the Palestinians poor on purpose, and they aren’t gonna rescue them and “take them in.” They (Palestinians and Jews) are living in the Holy Land because they want to, not cuz they are being forced to… Whoever wrote this is an idiot. And I am voting for Barack Obama and I agree about having a summit with the leaders of Islam. Isn’t the wise thing to do whenever there is a disagreement between two party’s to sit down and discuss the different beliefs and wants? People hate America more now because of our “Your gonna do it our way or else,” policies of the Bush Administration and that’s exactly how John McCain is. It would be disastrous for us to continue on the road we are on. People need to open their eyes on this… Obama 08
It is time to BAN the Muslim religion in this country and export
ALL OF THEM!!! Let them go back to their stupid backwards ways of beating their women and multiple wives. It’s criminal in this country for Christians or anyone else to do that. Why should we allow such an abusive religion or the nuts that follow this garbage any entrance into this country.
Get out and stay out!!!!
Thanks for all the chat back. Here’s just a few brief responses.
Unlike “the man who knows” (above) I don’t believe in killing all Muslims, and I wish them the best (see http://www.PaulRevere2.wordpress.com) AND like “distiguished republican” and “Phil” I think that dialoge is fine but extremely limited (more below), but I have one question:
Is it POSSIBLE that there is a popular religion out there in the world that doesn’t believe in “dialogue” (let alone “tolerance”) the way that we see it? The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) spends lots of their time attempting what THEY call “dialoge” and what it really amounts to is defending individual’s actions that undermine the US. Almost all of CAIR’s leadership has terroist ties ( http://www.anti-cair-net.org/ ). The Qur’an advocates lying (taquiyya) and deception (kithman) for the advancement of Islam. I’ll find the surahs if you like. In light of the FACT that Muslim’s holy book states these tactics are some of many (including terror, that’s in the Qur’an too) that can be used to spread Islam, can dialogue with Islamic leaders really mean that much?
The real proof is in their actions. And their actions have killed almost 12,000 just SINCE 9-11. (see http://www.TheReligionOfPeace.com ) I am not ignorant of their actions. You are ignorant in how to deal with the jihad threat; they only respond to actions (and not necessarily war, but action). In fact there is an Arabic word, “hudna” that referrs to the tactic of temporarily reteating or stalling in order to build up a better front for attack. Geesh! They have a specific word for stalling … (with dialogue!) Can you understand that!? Oh and “Phil” they don’t see force as weakness, they see dialogue as weakness, and they WELCOME it! Why do you think that terroists (quotes are on the ActSeattle site and PaulRevere2 site) overwhelmingly support Obama? The reason for their actions is not political. It is plainly religious: Osama Bin Laden has said, “Moderate Islam is prostration to the West”and “Battle, animosity, and hatred — directed from the Muslim to the infidel — is the foundation of our religion.” It’s not economic either: Saudi Arabia – where a huge percentage of know terrorists come from – is grossly ritch). They are motivated by a purist ideology, and there is no “live and let live” in the Qur’an.
It’s estimated that only 20% of Muslims are “radical” (and I would call “fundamental”). If that is true, then we have just over 200,000 “radicals” out there to contend with. That is not just a HANDFUL of extremists as one person commented above.
I know Obama is big on hope. That’s great. He’s just bankrupt on comprehension.
For more (gentler) stuff. Check out my home site at https://paulrevere2.wordpress.com/ and be sure to check out the follow up article to this one at http://actseattle.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/another-reason-not-to-vote-for-obama-ii/
AND look for “Another Reason Not To Vote For Obama III” coming soon to the ActSeattle site.
Thank you!